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		<title>By: Buddy Holly</title>
		<link>http://embody3d.com/2010/01/27/the-top-cliche-industrial-design-selling-points/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL GREENWASHERS. ITS LIKE THE ANTI GREENPEACE TERM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL GREENWASHERS. ITS LIKE THE ANTI GREENPEACE TERM</p>
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		<title>By: Carnivoool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnivoool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your opinion Dreamer, but I think that some of the cliches in this article are good and tear apart what many traditional designers live by. I also don&#039;t think the author is taking an overly negative tone about these cliches but is more just stating them, but he probably is paying them out. For example cliche #5 about names is really annoying, the greenwash cliche and the diagram cliche undermine the profession of industrial design as being a legitimate profession. So it is good they are discussed in open forum.

We must remember many industrial designers purely beautify products by making them look sexy, like isn&#039;t that what like 90% of the furniture industry is about? So I think for a designer to live by &#039;form follows function&#039; is foolish. 

But yeah I don&#039;t think design is in the eye of the beholder like the author, I think there is such thing as a naturally good and bad aesthetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your opinion Dreamer, but I think that some of the cliches in this article are good and tear apart what many traditional designers live by. I also don&#8217;t think the author is taking an overly negative tone about these cliches but is more just stating them, but he probably is paying them out. For example cliche #5 about names is really annoying, the greenwash cliche and the diagram cliche undermine the profession of industrial design as being a legitimate profession. So it is good they are discussed in open forum.</p>
<p>We must remember many industrial designers purely beautify products by making them look sexy, like isn&#8217;t that what like 90% of the furniture industry is about? So I think for a designer to live by &#8216;form follows function&#8217; is foolish. </p>
<p>But yeah I don&#8217;t think design is in the eye of the beholder like the author, I think there is such thing as a naturally good and bad aesthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t designers so clever?  Especially designers who are cynical about everything and want to make everything better to the point of self defeatism ;-)  It&#039;s actually very sad that designers can tend so far toward ideallism that they disappear up their own &#039;*!holes.  Ripping into those quotes at the end is rubbish - only a bible bashing creationist could denigrate the most brilliant of all ID mantras (Dieter Rams peace be upon you); &#039;FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION&#039;.  Now get on with it dreamers - and figure out what functional role &#039;beauty&#039; plays in the world and how to put facts and data to the realms of subjectivity.  Who cares about cliche?   Personally I find it cliche to think of cliches in the negative. 

A better text to read to take the focus off cliche; Alain De Botton - &#039;The architecture of happiness&#039;.   But then it&#039;s a fairly well known book which might already be too &#039;cliche&#039; for some of you dreamers to even consider.   

Remember - if you want to be a professional designer you need to get paid for designing.  Which means that if you have your own strong views on &#039;beauty&#039;, despite it being in the eye of the beholder, you need to figure out what makes your version of &#039;ideallism&#039; worth paying for.  

Or are we also too cynical of money to do that?  Prefer to sleep it rough maybe.. or just top ourselves amidst our own ideallistic dream?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t designers so clever?  Especially designers who are cynical about everything and want to make everything better to the point of self defeatism <img src='http://embody3d.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s actually very sad that designers can tend so far toward ideallism that they disappear up their own &#8216;*!holes.  Ripping into those quotes at the end is rubbish &#8211; only a bible bashing creationist could denigrate the most brilliant of all ID mantras (Dieter Rams peace be upon you); &#8216;FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION&#8217;.  Now get on with it dreamers &#8211; and figure out what functional role &#8216;beauty&#8217; plays in the world and how to put facts and data to the realms of subjectivity.  Who cares about cliche?   Personally I find it cliche to think of cliches in the negative. </p>
<p>A better text to read to take the focus off cliche; Alain De Botton &#8211; &#8216;The architecture of happiness&#8217;.   But then it&#8217;s a fairly well known book which might already be too &#8216;cliche&#8217; for some of you dreamers to even consider.   </p>
<p>Remember &#8211; if you want to be a professional designer you need to get paid for designing.  Which means that if you have your own strong views on &#8216;beauty&#8217;, despite it being in the eye of the beholder, you need to figure out what makes your version of &#8216;ideallism&#8217; worth paying for.  </p>
<p>Or are we also too cynical of money to do that?  Prefer to sleep it rough maybe.. or just top ourselves amidst our own ideallistic dream?</p>
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		<title>By: Vipul Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vipul Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tree huggers eww</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tree huggers eww</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen Teck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen Teck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bloody lcd screens i tell you. the saviour or our profession</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>****** lcd screens i tell you. the saviour or our profession</p>
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		<title>By: Apostolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apostolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as already said, good quotes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as already said, good quotes</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Heinz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Heinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The customer comes first cliche is a bit of a given. The name calling cliche was interesting - how people come up with names for products is bewildering - how&#039;s that Ipad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The customer comes first cliche is a bit of a given. The name calling cliche was interesting &#8211; how people come up with names for products is bewildering &#8211; how&#8217;s that Ipad</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good article and I love the quotes</description>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention The Top Cliche Industrial Design Selling Points &#124; Embody 3D -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The Top Cliche Industrial Design Selling Points &#124; Embody 3D -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Parise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO true! Especially the part about the green overdose. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO true! Especially the part about the green overdose. Great post.</p>
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